Thursday, April 3, 2014

Does Anybody Really Belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?


Doesn't it seem a little odd to have a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?  I mean isn't Rock and Roll partly about rebellion?  It hardly seems rebellious to have a big museum charging 25 dollars a pop  devoted to Rock and Roll.  The other thing odd  is most big Rock Stars already have plenty of fame. TOO MUCH FAME, and TOO MUCH MONEY!. Too much sex and too many drugs. Does Mick Jagger need more fame? Does Bono need more money? Does Gene Simmons need more sex? Ah-no, no and NO!

No that's not true of everybody, not every rock artist is rich and famous. A  lot of the Rock and Roll pioneers, people like Ruth Brown or Solomon Burke, or blues  greats like Buddy Guy are not rich and they haven't been on the cover of People, so heck put them in the  Hall of  Great Ignored, Ripped Off music artists.  In fact, that was the original idea of the founders of the Hall, people like Ahmet Ertegun wanted to recognize all those great rock and roll and soul  artists of the 1950's  that record company owners  like him had ripped off.

So meanwhile, there is still much wringing of hands about whether certain  artists belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  People bitch about who is in, people bitch about who is not in. Some folks  love to bitch about all the non-rock artists who are in the Hall of Fame. Dance music stars like  Madonna or Donna Summer.  These ladies  are  not rock are they? Does  Madonna belong in the Hall? Isn't most  of her stuff is crap? Isn't  she is a  evil, evil person?  True, true.. but just remind yourself  the Material Girl  does have  more hits then the mafia, and  she somehow managed to stay on the radio for 30 years. That must be worth something....

So who does belong?   Should anybody really care? No. But, if we did, in fact, care, we would have to go over it . ANAL-yze IT.  Go over it (yeah we said that).   Who belongs-who doesn't. Sift the wheat from the chaff.

WHO !!!!!!!

There is a lot controversy about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's selection process.  The acts chosen seem to be fairly random, and many of them have somewhat small bodies of work. It seems to me that  you should have more than one albums worth of  quality stuff to be in the rock and roll of fame, but what are you going to do-Bill Haley has  got be in there even if can we only think of two songs that he actually  did.

Many of the acts in the hall of fame are  not even  rock acts. I am actually OK with that since it appears to be the point of of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to celebrate all the music of the Rock Era. But lots of people get all worked up that Hall of Fame leaves out a lot of rock acts in favor of acts from other genres. Why ABBA and not Kiss? Why Laura Nyro and not Motley Crue? Maybe it's because Motley Crue sucks.  Just saying!

I can think of a few acts that I  personally really don't think belong in the hall-Alice Cooper, Grand Master Flash,  Miles Davis,   and Issac Hayes. I thought Miles Davis was Jazz. Oh sure he's done   some fusion shit-but he's JAZZ!!!!!!!!

There are so  many  acts in the hall  that just seem to be  borderline choices  and there  many other borderline acts that are not in the Hall of Fame that could just as well be in there like  The Moody Blues or Chicago.

The problem is the Hall of Fame lets in far too many acts, so many, that many  of the choices seem questionable. What if they did it like the Baseball Hall of Fame, where there were only 2-4 inductees  a year (instead of the 5 to 7 in the rock hall ) , plus a veteran's committee to pick from candidates  snubbed in the   the original voting process.  I mean Roger Maris is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame is he?  NO, NO he is not. One or two great years does not get you into to the baseball Hall of Fame. It's fairly easy to figure out who to put in the Baseball Hall of Fame because you can just compare stats. But if you just go by the stats for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the place would be filled with the likes of Britney Spears, Justin Bieber (if they were   eligible) and Kiss. Oh wait, Kiss is in the Hall of Fame, now. 

If the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame had  a lot fewer acts,  people wouldn't wonder why the Hollies are in there and not the Moody Blues, why Blondie is in there and not Kate Bush, because none of the non-consensus acts would be in there.


At least,  now it has gotten a little better. In the past few years , a lot of the long snubbed   acts have been inducted. These are commercially successful (but sometimes not highly esteemed )  acts who have eligible for a long time but who had been snubbed: Kiss, ABBA,  Heart, Hall and Oates, Neil Diamond (maybe they should have just  inducted  the 1960's Neil Diamond) , Linda Ronstadt, and Cat Stevens (remember Fatwa's are OK now) .  In recent years, somebody let fans into the voting process, and that seems to have helped cut down on the bull shit of picking people like the Stooges when nobody can remember anything the Stooges ever did. Now we get the bull shit of picking acts just because they were popular. 

The snubbing process is  sometimes personal. The biggest female rock star of the 1970's -Linda Ronstadt had never been nominated because Hall of Fame Board member, Jann Wanner didn't like her. It seems she finally got in now-because she has Parkinson's Disease. Wanner is also blamed for personally messing with the voting process and installing Grand Master Flash over the Dave Clark Five, because he said he thought the hall needed at least one hip hop act. Rock Critic Dave Marsh, personally kept Kiss out of the Hall of Fame.

Even now,  the snub list is still long. It's a roll of honor. A badge of honor.  You know a  lot of acts on the snub list have never  even been  nominated. 

The most notable snubs now are the Monkees, Moody Blues, Chicago, ELO, Deep Purple, Bon Jovi, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Journey, Joy Division, Fairport Convention, The Spinners, Kraftwerk, Motley Crue,  Nick Drake Procul Harum Ozzy Osborne (solo),  The Zombies, Kate Bush, The Doobie Brothers, Duran Duran, Dire Straits, Bad Company, Depeche Mode, Def Leppard, Jethro Tull, and Yes, but there so many other plausible acts left out as well.

A few acts such as  Bon Jovi, and Whitney Houston, have only been eligible for a few years, and it's to early to say it is a " snub"  that they have been left out. 


What if the Rock and Roll Fame only had rock acts? What if you only  included the fairly obvious choices? Well the  first list below  this is a fairly good guess as to  who would  be in there if only the clear, very  obvious choices were in there.    Indeed, All of  these acts listed  really are already in the Hall of Fame!

I  did include  in a few  R&B soul acts who are borderline rock and roll, such as the Supremes. The number of R&B acts in the real  hall of fame is fairly large, since Rock is based on this genre, it's sometimes hard to make the distinction on these acts.  

 Bob Marley, Michael Jackson , Madonna, Simon and Garfunkel, the Bee Gees, Prince, Carole King  and ABBA belong in the hall  but the diehards will tell you they are  not rock acts.   I have excluded some clearly important choices who have only  small amounts of important works (Bill Haley, The Sex Pistols, Buffalo Springfield, Gene Vincent) or who are more soul than rock (Al Green).  This lists below do not include pioneers, sidemen,  non musical performers etc.


----These  are the more consensus might be the acts that would likely  still be in if far  fewer acts were allowed in...
Most  of the acts were chosen within their first three years of eligibility,
Pretty small list it is....

*Chuck Berry
James Brown
*Ray Charles
*Sam Cooke
*Fats Domino
*The Everly Brothers
*Buddy Holly
*Jerry Lee Lewis
*Elvis Presley
*Little Richard
Aretha Franklin
Carl Perkins  
Roy Orbison 

*The Beach Boys
*The Beatles

*Bob Dylan
*The Supremes

*The Rolling Stones
The Temptations

*Stevie Wonder

The Four Seasons

*The Kinks

*The Who

*The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Johnny Cash

David Bowie
*Creedence Clearwater Revival
*The Doors
*Van Morrison


The Band

*The Grateful Dead
*Elton John
*John Lennon


*Janis Joplin
*Led Zeppelin
Neil Young

*Pink Floyd


*Crosby, Stills and Nash


*The Eagles
*Fleetwood Mac


*Billy Joel

*Paul McCartney

*Bruce Springsteen


*Eric Clapton
Steely Dan
Paul Simon


*The Clash

*Lynyrd Skynyrd
 2007-*R.E.M, and Van Halen
2009 Metallica
2010 Genesis 

2014 Linda Ronstadt 

ACTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE HALL OF FAME, if fewer acts were chosen  each year, or if non-rock artists were excluded. And I'm not saying all these people do not belong-I am just saying that there are other  folks who have been left out who are just as good.

Ricky Nelson
The Coasters
Eddie Cochran
Bo Diddley
*Marvin Gaye
Bill Haley
B. B. King
Clyde McPhatter
*Ricky Nelson
*Smokey Robinson
Big Joe Turner
Muddy Waters
Jackie Wilso

The Drifters
Otis Redding

*The Temptations

Hank Ballard
Bobby Darin

*The Four Tops
  The Platters


LaVern Baker
*The Byrds
John Lee Hooker
The Impressions
Wilson Pickett
Jimmy Reed
Ike and Tina Turner

Bobby "Blue" Bland
Booker T. and the M.G.'s
*The Isley Brothers
Sam and Dave
The Yardbirds

Ruth Brown
Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers
Etta James
Sly and the Family Stone

The Animals
Duane Eddy
*Bob Marley
Rod Stewart

*The Allman Brothers Band
Al Green
Martha and the Vandellas
Frank Zappa

Gladys Knight and the Pips
Jefferson Airplane
Little Willie John
*Pink Floyd
The Shirelles
The Velvet Underground

The (Young) Rascals
*The Bee Gees
Buffalo Springfield
The Jackson Five
*Joni Mitchell

The Mamas and the Papas
Lloyd Price
Gene Vincent
Curtis Mayfield
Del Shannon
*Dusty Springfield
The Staple Singers

*Earth, Wind & Fire
Lovin' Spoonful
The Moonglows
Bonnie Raitt
*James Taylor

The Flamingos
*Michael Jacks

Ritchie Val

Isaac Hayes
Brenda Lee
Tom Petty
and the Heartbreakers
Gene Pitney
Talking Heads


Elvis Costello & the Attractions

Righteous Brothers
Jackson Browne
The Dells
George Harrison
Bob Seger  
The Pretenders
Percy Sledge
Buddy Guy
The O'Jays
Miles Davis
The Sex Pistols
Black Sabbath

 2007Grand Master Flash, Patty Smith, The Ronettes,
 2008- Madonna,  Leonard Cohen, the Ventures and the Dave Clark Five.
Jeff Beck
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Bobby Womack

Jimmy Cliff
Gun and Roses 

Donna Summer
Randy Newman
Public Enemy
Albert King 
Alice Cooper
Neil Diamond
Dr. John
Darlene Love
Tom Waits

Beastie Boys
Blue Caps
Famous Flames
The Miracles
Laura Nyro
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
The Small Faces


Cat Stevens
Linda Ronstadt
The E street Band
Hall and Oates

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